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      "content": "{\"success\": true, \"summary\": \"🔍 搜索查询: 70B VLM model fine-tuning memory requirements GPU\\n📅 搜索时间: 2025-11-12T17:58:46.541374\\n🎯 过滤条件: Topic: general | Time Range: month\\n\\n📝 AI摘要:\\nFine-tuning a 70B model requires at least 140GB GPU memory for full parameters, but techniques like QLoRA and FP8 compression reduce this to about 25GB. DGX systems enable fine-tuning despite memory constraints.\\n\\n---\\n\\n📊 搜索结果:\\n\\n1. [PDF] LLM.265: Video Codecs are Secretly Tensor Codecs\\n   🔗 https://users.cs.duke.edu/~mlentz/papers/llm265_micro2025.pdf\\n   📄 4.2 KV Cache and Communication Compression While our weight compression results show the ability of serving a 70B model on a single commodity-level GPU, it still suffers from two limitations described...\\n\\n2. Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT) and Parameter ... - NVIDIA Docs\\n   🔗 https://docs.nvidia.com/nemo/automodel/latest/guides/llm/finetune.html\\n   📄 The common model loading pipeline when doing distributed training is that each GPU will load the full model onto it and then hold the shard it needs. However, this is an issue when we want to train mo...\\n\\n3. Jetson Workshop - NVIDIA Jetson AI Lab\\n   🔗 https://www.jetson-ai-lab.com/workshop_gtcdc2025.html\\n   📄 On  70B-class  models, FP4 + speculative decoding can feel close to smaller models for interactivity, while preserving large-model competence.\\n\\n## 🚑 Troubleshooting\\n\\n  Critical: GPU Memory Not Release...\\n\\n4. vLLM V1 performance optimization - AMD ROCm documentation\\n   🔗 https://rocm.docs.amd.com/en/latest/how-to/rocm-for-ai/inference-optimization/vllm-optimization.html\\n   📄 1.   Increase`--gpu-memory-utilization` to maximize throughput for a single instance (up to 0.95). Example:\\n\\nvllm serve meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct \\\\\\n --gpu-memory-utilization 0.95 \\\\\\n --max-mode...\\n\\n5. How NVIDIA DGX Spark's Performance Enables Intensive AI Tasks\\n   🔗 https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/how-nvidia-dgx-sparks-performance-enables-intensive-ai-tasks/\\n   📄 In full fine-tuning of a Llama 3.2B model, we reached a peak of 82,739.2 tokens per second. Tuning a Llama 3.1 8B model using LoRA on DGX Spark reached a peak of 53,657.6 tokens per second. Tuning a L...\\n\\n6. Accelerating Llama3.3-70B with Quark MXFP4 quantization for vLLM\\n   🔗 https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/ai-developer-hub/en/latest/notebooks/gpu_dev_optimize/mxfp4_quantization_quark_vllm.html\\n   📄 ## Prerequisites#\\n\\nThis tutorial was developed and tested using the following setup.\\n\\n### Operating system#\\n\\n Ubuntu 24.04: Ensure your system is running Ubuntu version 24.04.\\n\\n### Hardware#\\n\\n AMD Ins...\\n\\n7. Evo-1: Lightweight Vision-Language-Action Model with Preserved ...\\n   🔗 https://arxiv.org/html/2511.04555v1\\n   📄 pretrained under a single-stage multimodal paradigm, where perceptual and linguistic representations are learned jointly without post-hoc alignment, enabling strong multimodal perception and understan...\\n\\n8. Unlock Faster, Smarter Edge Models with 7x Gen AI Performance on ...\\n   🔗 https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/unlock-faster-smarter-edge-models-with-7x-gen-ai-performance-on-nvidia-jetson-agx-thor/\\n   📄 FP8 is your go-to for a nearly lossless first step in optimization. A 70B model’s 16-bit weights are too large for Jetson Thor memory once you account for activations and the KV cache. By halving the ...\\n\\n9. Efficient Vision-Language-Action Models for Embodied Manipulation\\n   🔗 https://arxiv.org/html/2510.17111v1\\n   📄 constrained objective that balances average/peak FLOPs and GPU memory usage, rather than being tuned manually. [...] which refines the plan and generates smooth, precise continuous actions through mec...\\n\\n10. 100 Deployable Open Models (LLM/ VLM/ SLM) for Personal GPUs\\n   🔗 https://medium.com/@harishpillai1994/100-deployable-open-models-llm-vlm-slm-for-personal-gpus-from-tiny-to-70b-22bd1b13d011\\n   📄 Sitemap\\n\\nOpen in app\\n\\nSign in\\n\\nSign in\\n\\nMember-only story\\n\\n# 100 Deployable Open Models (LLM/ VLM/ SLM) for Personal GPUs: From Tiny to 70B+\\n\\nHarishkumar Pillai\\n\\n18 min read14 hours ago\\n\\nNon member li...\", \"filters\": {\"topic\": \"general\", \"time_range\": \"month\"}, \"query\": \"70B VLM model fine-tuning memory requirements GPU\", \"results\": [{\"index\": 1, \"title\": \"[PDF] LLM.265: Video Codecs are Secretly Tensor Codecs\", \"url\": \"https://users.cs.duke.edu/~mlentz/papers/llm265_micro2025.pdf\", \"content\": \"4.2 KV Cache and Communication Compression While our weight compression results show the ability of serving a 70B model on a single commodity-level GPU, it still suffers from two limitations described below.\\nLong-context scenarios: The large memory requirements of KV cache poses challenges [21, 74, 89] for long-context LLMs. For example, storing a 128k KV cache using FP16 requires 40 GB of GPU memory for the LLaMA-3-70B model, which is larger than the compressed model itself. [...] Achieving this challenging objective requires a general-purpose compression strategy that includes three critical steps: Weight Compression. In §4.1, we show that LLM.265 can re-duce the memory footprint of model weight by 5.5× while maintain-ing accuracy. Our weight compression enables us to run a LLaMA-3-70B model with only about 25GB of memory. [...] Here, we detailed our final results that reduce the memory foot-print by 5.5× and communication volumes by 4.5× for the LLaMA-3-70B model using LLM.265, which only lead to a minor accuracy drop (< 2%) in the zero-shot reasoning task.\", \"score\": 0.74807674, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 2, \"title\": \"Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT) and Parameter ... - NVIDIA Docs\", \"url\": \"https://docs.nvidia.com/nemo/automodel/latest/guides/llm/finetune.html\", \"content\": \"The common model loading pipeline when doing distributed training is that each GPU will load the full model onto it and then hold the shard it needs. However, this is an issue when we want to train models that are larger than the memory of a single GPU. For example, a 70B parameter model takes up 140GB for the model parameters assuming BF16 data type (2 bytes per parameter). Most popular GPUs have a limit of 80GB, which means we cannot directly load the full model onto the GPU. [...] The following script demonstrates how to use a fine-tuned checkpoint in vLLM, allowing seamless deployment and efficient inference:\\n\\nNote\\n\\nMake sure vLLM is installed (pip install vllm, or use the environment that includes it). [...] Memory Efficiency: Reduces memory usage by up to 75% compared to full-precision fine-tuning\\n Hardware Accessibility: Enables fine-tuning of large models on consumer-grade GPUs\\n Performance Preservation: Maintains model quality comparable to full-precision LoRA\\n\\n### QLoRA Configuration#\\n\\nTo use QLoRA with NeMo Automodel, you need to configure both the quantization settings and the PEFT parameters. Here’s an example:\", \"score\": 0.74785584, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 3, \"title\": \"Jetson Workshop - NVIDIA Jetson AI Lab\", \"url\": \"https://www.jetson-ai-lab.com/workshop_gtcdc2025.html\", \"content\": \"On  70B-class  models, FP4 + speculative decoding can feel close to smaller models for interactivity, while preserving large-model competence.\\n\\n## 🚑 Troubleshooting\\n\\n  Critical: GPU Memory Not Released After Stopping vLLM \\n\\nCommon Issue:  Even after stopping the vLLM container, GPU memory remains allocated (e.g., 26GB+ still in use).\\n\\nRoot Cause:  Current vLLM version has a known issue where inference cache is not properly freed when the container stops.\\n\\nImmediate Solution: [...] You can continue to the next section \\\"Optimize\\\" by just stopping the current model serving by hitting   `Ctrl`   +   `C`   and keeping the container running.\\n\\nHowever,  even when just stopping the vLLM serving process  , you need to clear GPU memory to make it available for the next model.\\n\\n1. 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Example:\\n\\nvllm serve meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct \\\\\\n --gpu-memory-utilization 0.95 \\\\\\n --max-model-len 8192 \\\\\\n --port 8000  \\n2.   Decrease to pack multiple instances on the same GPU (for small models like 7B/8B), keeping KV-cache viable: [...] Model coverage: Llama 2 (7B/13B/70B), Llama 3 (8B/70B), Qwen2 (7B/72B), Mixtral-8x7B/8x22B, and others Llama2‑70B and Llama3‑70B can fit a single MI300X/MI355X; Llama3.1‑405B fits on a single 8×MI300X/MI355X node.\\n\\nConfigure the gpu-memory-utilization parameter#\\n\\nThe `--gpu-memory-utilization` parameter controls the fraction of GPU memory reserved for the KV-cache. The default is 0.9 (90%).\\n\\nThere are two strategies: [...] # FP8 W8A8: Single GPU\\nvllm serve amd/Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct-FP8-KV \\\\\\n --dtype auto \\\\\\n --max-model-len 8192 \\\\\\n --gpu-memory-utilization 0.90\\n\\n# MXFP4: Extreme memory efficiency\\nvllm serve amd/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct-MXFP4-Preview \\\\\\n --dtype auto \\\\\\n --tensor-parallel-size 1 \\\\\\n --max-model-len 8192\\n\\nKey features:\\n\\n   FP8 models: ~50% memory reduction, 2× compression\\n\\n   MXFP4 models: ~75% memory reduction, 4× compression\", \"score\": 0.68496037, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 5, \"title\": \"How NVIDIA DGX Spark's Performance Enables Intensive AI Tasks\", \"url\": \"https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/how-nvidia-dgx-sparks-performance-enables-intensive-ai-tasks/\", \"content\": \"In full fine-tuning of a Llama 3.2B model, we reached a peak of 82,739.2 tokens per second. Tuning a Llama 3.1 8B model using LoRA on DGX Spark reached a peak of 53,657.6 tokens per second. Tuning a Llama 3.3 70B model using QLoRA on DGX Spark reached a peak of 5,079.4 tokens per second.\\n\\nSince fine-tuning is so memory intensive, none of these tuning workloads can run on a 32 GB consumer GPU.\\n\\n|  | [...] | Fine-tuning |\\n| Model | Method | Backend | Configuration | Peak tokens/sec |\\n| Llama 3.2 3B | Full fine tuning | PyTorch | Sequence length: 2048 Batch size: 8 Epoch: 1 Steps: 125BF16 | 82,739.20 |\\n| Llama 3.1 8B | LoRA | PyTorch | Sequence length: 2048 Batch size: 4 Epoch: 1 Steps: 125BF16 | 53,657.60 |\\n| Llama 3.3 70B | QLoRA | PyTorch | Sequence length: 2048 Batch size: 8 Epoch: 1 Steps: 125FP4 | 5,079.04 |\\n\\nTable 1. Fine-tuning performance\\n\\n## DGX Spark’s image-generation capabilities\", \"score\": 0.6778372, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 6, \"title\": \"Accelerating Llama3.3-70B with Quark MXFP4 quantization for vLLM\", \"url\": \"https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/ai-developer-hub/en/latest/notebooks/gpu_dev_optimize/mxfp4_quantization_quark_vllm.html\", \"content\": \"## Prerequisites#\\n\\nThis tutorial was developed and tested using the following setup.\\n\\n### Operating system#\\n\\n Ubuntu 24.04: Ensure your system is running Ubuntu version 24.04.\\n\\n### Hardware#\\n\\n AMD Instinct™ MI355 GPU: This tutorial requires an AMD Instinct MI355X GPU, which provides native support for the MXFP4 quantization format and ensures optimal compatibility and performance.\\n\\n### Software# [...] capital of France is\\\", \\\"The future of AI is\\\",] # Sampling parameters sampling_params = SamplingParams(temperature =0.8, top_p =0.95) print(\\\"Sampling params ready.\\\") # Run inference outputs = llm. generate(prompts, sampling_params) print(\\\" \\\\nGenerated Outputs: \\\\n \\\" +\\\"-\\\" 60) for output in outputs: prompt = output. prompt generated_text = output. outputs. text print(f\\\"Prompt: {prompt!r} \\\") print(f\\\"Output: {generated_text!r} \\\") print(\\\"-\\\" 60) # Release GPU memory del llm gc. collect() if torch. [...] ROCm 7.0: Install and verify ROCm by following the ROCm install guide. After installation, confirm your setup using:\\n\\n  This command lists your AMD GPUs with relevant details, similar to the image below.\\n Docker: Ensure Docker is installed and configured correctly. Follow the Docker installation guide for your operating system.\\n\\n  Note: Ensure the Docker permissions are correctly configured. To configure permissions to allow non-root access, run the following commands:\", \"score\": 0.60274047, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 7, \"title\": \"Evo-1: Lightweight Vision-Language-Action Model with Preserved ...\", \"url\": \"https://arxiv.org/html/2511.04555v1\", \"content\": \"pretrained under a single-stage multimodal paradigm, where perceptual and linguistic representations are learned jointly without post-hoc alignment, enabling strong multimodal perception and understanding. This compact VLM design substantially reduces overall model scale, reducing GPU memory requirements and computational demands in both training and inference. [...] The comparison reveals a clear efficiency-performance relationship: large-scale models such as OpenVLA (7 B) and π0\\\\pi\\\\_{0} (3.5 B) require over 15 GB of GPU memory and achieve only 7-11 Hz inference frequency, while smaller models like SmolVLA (0.45 B) have lower computational demands but limited success (50 %).\\nEvo-1, in contrast, strikes the best balance between efficiency and performance. [...] It maintains a low memory consumption of 2.3 GB, achieves the highest inference frequency of 16.4 Hz, and attains the top real-world success rate of 78%.\", \"score\": 0.5585443, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 8, \"title\": \"Unlock Faster, Smarter Edge Models with 7x Gen AI Performance on ...\", \"url\": \"https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/unlock-faster-smarter-edge-models-with-7x-gen-ai-performance-on-nvidia-jetson-agx-thor/\", \"content\": \"FP8 is your go-to for a nearly lossless first step in optimization. A 70B model’s 16-bit weights are too large for Jetson Thor memory once you account for activations and the KV cache. By halving the weight of memory, FP8 makes it practical to load and run that same model on-device. When properly calibrated, FP8’s accuracy is extremely close to the FP16 baseline (often with a drop of less than 1%), making it a “safe first step” for chat and general workloads, though sensitive tasks like math or [...] 1. Smaller memory footprintThis is the key that unlocks larger models on-device. By cutting the number of bytes needed for each parameter, you can load models that would otherwise be too big.    \\n     \\n   As a rule of thumb, a 70-billion-parameter model’s weights take up about:\\n    140 GB in floating point 16 (FP16) and won’t fit on Thor’s 128 GB memory.\\n    70 GB in floating-point 8 (FP8), fits with room to spare.\\n    35 GB in 4-bit, enabling multiple large models. [...] Configuration for these benchmarks: Sequence Length: 2048, Output Sequence Length: 128; Max Concurrency: 8; Power Mode: MAXN\\n\\nJetson Thor also now supports Eagle 3 speculative decoding in vLLM containers to further increase the performance of generative AI models. 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These speeds are obtained even on powerful GPUs; on resource-constrained edge devices, such requirements in memory, [...] needed to train increasingly large models.\", \"score\": 0.3984538, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 10, \"title\": \"100 Deployable Open Models (LLM/ VLM/ SLM) for Personal GPUs\", \"url\": \"https://medium.com/@harishpillai1994/100-deployable-open-models-llm-vlm-slm-for-personal-gpus-from-tiny-to-70b-22bd1b13d011\", \"content\": \"Sitemap\\n\\nOpen in app\\n\\nSign in\\n\\nSign in\\n\\nMember-only story\\n\\n# 100 Deployable Open Models (LLM/ VLM/ SLM) for Personal GPUs: From Tiny to 70B+\\n\\nHarishkumar Pillai\\n\\n18 min read14 hours ago\\n\\nNon member link. [...] The author made this story available to Medium members only.  \\nIf you’re new to Medium, create a new account to read this story on us.\\n\\nContinue in app\\n\\nOr, continue in mobile web\\n\\nSign up with Google\\n\\nSign up with Facebook\\n\\nAlready have an account? Sign in\\n\\n## Written by Harishkumar Pillai\\n\\n134 followers\\n\\n·69 following\\n\\nNetwork Security | Computing Enthusiast | Backend Dev\\n\\n## No responses yet\\n\\nWrite a response\\n\\nWhat are your thoughts?\\n\\n## More from Harishkumar Pillai\\n\\nIn\\n\\nStackademic\\n\\nby [...] Why does this matter now? First, edge computing is clearly rising: you can keep sensitive context local (RAG over your files, repos, and databases), avoid egress fees, and tailor models per task. Second, GPU scarcity and pricing volatility mean cloud inference won’t always be the cheapest or most reliable option for steady…\\n\\n## Create an account to read the full story.\", \"score\": 0.32146052, \"published_date\": \"\"}], \"total_results\": 10}",
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Fine-tune VLMs for multipage document-to-JSON with SageMaker ...\\n   🔗 https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/machine-learning/fine-tune-vlms-for-multipage-document-to-json-with-sagemaker-ai-and-swift/\\n   📄 In the image, you can see the performance of three different models on the Fatura2 dataset. From left to right: Qwen2.5 VL 3B fine-tuned on 300 samples from the Fatura2 dataset, in the middle Qwen2.5 ...\\n\\n3. PROFIT: A Specialized Optimizer for Deep Fine Tuning - arXiv\\n   🔗 https://arxiv.org/html/2412.01930v3\\n   📄 ### 4.4 Multimodal Vision-Language Models (VLM) [...] We use a pre-trained LLaMA-Adapter-v2 (Gao et al. (2023)), which performs bias tuning on LLaMA-7B (Touvron et al. (2023b)). We compare PROFIT with...\\n\\n4. LiquidAI/LFM2-VL-450M - Hugging Face\\n   🔗 https://huggingface.co/LiquidAI/LFM2-VL-450M\\n   📄 Find more about our vision-language model in the LFM2-VL post and its language backbone in the LFM2 blog post.\\n\\n## 📄 Model details\\n\\nDue to their small size, we recommend fine-tuning LFM2-VL models on ...\\n\\n5. Collection of AWESOME vision-language models for vision tasks\\n   🔗 https://github.com/jingyi0000/VLM_survey\\n   📄 Most visual recognition studies rely heavily on crowd-labelled data in deep neural networks (DNNs) training, and they usually train a DNN for each single visual recognition task, leading to a laboriou...\\n\\n6. In-Depth Analysis of ERNIE-4.5-VL-28B-A3B-Thinking Multimodal AI ...\\n   🔗 https://dev.to/czmilo/2025-complete-guide-in-depth-analysis-of-ernie-45-vl-28b-a3b-thinking-multimodal-ai-model-1mib\\n   📄 ```\\n# Ensure trust_remote_code is added --trust-remote-code # Check network connection and model download integrity --resume-download\\n```\\n\\nSlow Inference:\\n\\n Check if using optimized inference framewor...\\n\\n7. Compare Large Vision Models: GPT-4o vs YOLOv8n\\n   🔗 https://research.aimultiple.com/large-vision-models/\\n   📄 In this benchmark, the performances of the object detection models YOLOv8n, DETR (DEtection TRansformer), and GPT-4o Vision were compared on the COCO 2017 validation dataset. 1000 images per model wer...\\n\\n8. 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Memory-Efficient Training with In-Place FFT Implementation - arXiv\\n   🔗 https://arxiv.org/html/2511.01385v1\\n   📄 The FFT operator can be found across various neural network models, particularly in tasks involving the Fourier domain, which is common in computer vision.\\nSome convolutional neural networks run entir...\", \"filters\": {\"topic\": \"general\", \"time_range\": \"month\"}, \"query\": \"VLM vision language model fine-tuning memory calculation 1000 images\", \"results\": [{\"index\": 1, \"title\": \"Robot Rainfall Rescue\", \"url\": \"https://brohan.org/Robot_Rainfall_Rescue/\", \"content\": \"Here I show that we can replicate the success of Rainfall Rescue using a few small Vision Language Models (VLMs) instead of thousands of human volunteers. After fine-tuneing on 1000 images (1.5% of the full dataset), each VLM can recover about 95% of the rainfall records correctly. Using an ensemble of three fine-tuned VLMs, and requiring agreement between at least two models, we can recover about 98% of the records correctly. This is a similar accuracy rate to that achieved with human [...] An ensemble of three small VLMs, fine-tuned on a training set of 1000 images, can recover about 98% of the rainfall values correctly, with a false success rate of about 1%. There is no need for any task-specific processing - the AIs can do 100% of the job.\\n\\n_images/trained_celebrating.png\\n\\nThis approach is cheap and easy and effective. The next step is to use it in anger - to apply it to a large set of images that have \\\\not\\\\ yet been rescued. [...] And, of course, because we are working with images with known values, we can go straight to the training. Let’s start with SmolVLM:\\n\\n_images/Train_SmolVLM.jpg\\n\\nTraining SmolVLM. The model is fine-tuned using a set of 1000 images with known values. The training process (12 epochs) takes about 3 hours on a single 80Gb H100 GPU.¶\", \"score\": 0.8506799, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 2, \"title\": \"Fine-tune VLMs for multipage document-to-JSON with SageMaker ...\", \"url\": \"https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/machine-learning/fine-tune-vlms-for-multipage-document-to-json-with-sagemaker-ai-and-swift/\", \"content\": \"In the image, you can see the performance of three different models on the Fatura2 dataset. From left to right: Qwen2.5 VL 3B fine-tuned on 300 samples from the Fatura2 dataset, in the middle Qwen2.5 VL 3B without fine-tuning (labeled vanilla), and Llama 3.2 11B vision fine-tuned on 1,000 samples.\\n\\nThe grey color shows the samples for which the Fatura2 dataset doesn’t contain any ground truth, which is why those are the same across the three models. [...] For our fine-tuning process, we selected the Swift framework. Swift provides a comprehensive, lightweight toolkit for fine-tuning various large language models, including VLMs like Qwen-VL and Llama-Vision.\\n\\n## Data preparation\\n\\nTo fine-tune the VLMs, you will use the Fatura2 dataset, a multi-layout invoice image dataset comprising 10,000 invoices with 50 distinct layouts. [...] fine-tuning using ms-swift framework os.environ[\\\"SIZE_FACTOR\\\"] = json.dumps(8)# can be increase but requires more GPU memory os.environ[\\\"MAX_PIXELS\\\"]= json.dumps (602112) # can be increase but requires more GPU memory os. environ [\\\"CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES\\\"]=\\\"0,1,2,3\\\" # GPU devices to be used os. environ [\\\"NPROC_PER_NODE\\\"]=\\\"4\\\" # we have 4 GPUs on on instance os.environ[\\\"USE_H_TRANSFER\\\"] = json.dumps (1) argv = ['—model_type', 'qwen2_5_vl', '-model_id_or_path', 'Qwen/Qwen2.5-VL-3B-Instruct'\", \"score\": 0.65173227, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 3, \"title\": \"PROFIT: A Specialized Optimizer for Deep Fine Tuning - arXiv\", \"url\": \"https://arxiv.org/html/2412.01930v3\", \"content\": \"### 4.4 Multimodal Vision-Language Models (VLM) [...] We use a pre-trained LLaMA-Adapter-v2 (Gao et al. (2023)), which performs bias tuning on LLaMA-7B (Touvron et al. (2023b)). We compare PROFIT with AdamW (Loshchilov and Hutter (2019)), the de facto method for fine-tuning VLMs. We report results on the validation set in Table 4. PROFIT improves accuracy over AdamW by 5.6%, GPT score by 1.5%, Match Score by 1%, and the Final Score by 2%. In addition, PROFIT provides better results for VQA, as seen by improved performance metrics (BLEU-4, ROUGE-L, [...] We introduce PROFIT, an optimizer that improves robustness against catastrophic forgetting during fine-tuning by using confidence in the model’s prior converged state as a regularizer. PROFIT excels in various settings: (1) fine-tuning to CIFAR100 from CIFAR10, (2) fine-tuning on a new distribution in VTAB-1K by providing a train recipe, (3) fine-tuning large Vision-Language Models for autonomous driving and question-answering, and (4) fine-tuning on both new and identical tasks in large-scale\", \"score\": 0.3995779, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 4, \"title\": \"LiquidAI/LFM2-VL-450M - Hugging Face\", \"url\": \"https://huggingface.co/LiquidAI/LFM2-VL-450M\", \"content\": \"Find more about our vision-language model in the LFM2-VL post and its language backbone in the LFM2 blog post.\\n\\n## 📄 Model details\\n\\nDue to their small size, we recommend fine-tuning LFM2-VL models on narrow use cases to maximize performance.\\nThey were trained for instruction following and lightweight agentic flows.\\nNot intended for safety‑critical decisions. [...] | Model | RealWorldQA | MM-IFEval | InfoVQA (Val) | OCRBench | BLINK | MMStar | MMMU (Val) | MathVista | SEEDBench\\\\_IMG | MMVet | MME | MMLU |\\n ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  --- \\n| SmolVLM2-500M | 49.90 | 11.27 | 24.64 | 609 | 40.70 | 38.20 | 34.10 | 37.50 | 62.20 | 29.90 | 1448.30 \\n| LFM2-VL-450M | 52.29 | 26.18 | 46.51 | 655 | 41.98 | 40.87 | 33.11 | 44.70 | 63.50 | 33.76 | 1239.06 | 40.16 |\\n\\nWe obtained MM-IFEval and InfoVQA (Val) scores for InternVL 3 and SmolVLM2 models using VLMEvalKit. [...] We're releasing the weights of two post-trained checkpoints with 450M (for highly constrained devices) and 1.6B (more capable yet still lightweight) parameters.\\n\\n 2× faster inference speed on GPUs compared to existing VLMs while maintaining competitive accuracy\\n Flexible architecture with user-tunable speed-quality tradeoffs at inference time\\n Native resolution processing up to 512×512 with intelligent patch-based handling for larger images, avoiding upscaling and distortion\", \"score\": 0.31003645, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 5, \"title\": \"Collection of AWESOME vision-language models for vision tasks\", \"url\": \"https://github.com/jingyi0000/VLM_survey\", \"content\": \"Most visual recognition studies rely heavily on crowd-labelled data in deep neural networks (DNNs) training, and they usually train a DNN for each single visual recognition task, leading to a laborious and time-consuming visual recognition paradigm. To address the two challenges, Vision Language Models (VLMs) have been intensively investigated recently, which learns rich vision-language correlation from web-scale image-text pairs that are almost infinitely available on the Internet and enables [...] | Name | Name | Last commit message | Last commit date |\\n ---  --- |\\n| Latest commit   History105 Commits |\\n| images | images |  |  |\\n| README.md | README.md |  |  |\\n|  |\\n\\n## Repository files navigation\\n\\n## Awesome Vision-Language Models\\n\\nThis is the repository of Vision Language Models for Vision Tasks: a Survey, a systematic survey of VLM studies in various visual recognition tasks including image classification, object detection, semantic segmentation, etc. For details, please refer to: [...] ### Datasets for VLM Evaluation\\n\\n#### Image Classification\", \"score\": 0.29443854, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 6, \"title\": \"In-Depth Analysis of ERNIE-4.5-VL-28B-A3B-Thinking Multimodal AI ...\", \"url\": \"https://dev.to/czmilo/2025-complete-guide-in-depth-analysis-of-ernie-45-vl-28b-a3b-thinking-multimodal-ai-model-1mib\", \"content\": \"```\\n# Ensure trust_remote_code is added --trust-remote-code # Check network connection and model download integrity --resume-download\\n```\\n\\nSlow Inference:\\n\\n Check if using optimized inference framework (vLLM/FastDeploy)\\n Verify GPU utilization is normal\\n Consider using batch processing mode\\n Check if input image resolution is too high\\n\\n### Q10: How to evaluate fine-tuning effectiveness?\\n\\nA: Recommended methods for evaluating fine-tuned models:\\n\\n1. Quantitative Evaluation: [...] Inference: At least 80GB GPU memory per card (e.g., A100 or H100)\\n Quantized Inference: Can be reduced to approximately 60GB using wint8 quantization\\n Fine-tuning (LoRA): Requires at least 40-80GB\\n Full Fine-tuning: Requires 160GB+, multi-GPU training recommended\\n\\nMemory Optimization Suggestions:\\n\\n Use quantization techniques (wint8)\\n Enable gradient checkpointing\\n Reduce batch size\\n Use LoRA instead of full fine-tuning\\n\\n### Q2: What languages does the model support? [...] ### Training Hardware Requirements\\n\\n| Training Method | Minimum Memory | Recommended Memory | GPU Count | Training Time (1000 samples) |\\n ---  --- \\n| LoRA (r=8) | 40GB | 80GB | 1 | 2-4 hours |\\n| LoRA (r=16) | 48GB | 80GB | 1 | 3-6 hours |\\n| Full Fine-tune | 160GB+ | 320GB+ | 4+ | 12-24 hours |\\n\\n## 🤔 Frequently Asked Questions\\n\\n### Q1: How much GPU memory is required to run the model?\\n\\nA:\", \"score\": 0.24821557, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 7, \"title\": \"Compare Large Vision Models: GPT-4o vs YOLOv8n\", \"url\": \"https://research.aimultiple.com/large-vision-models/\", \"content\": \"In this benchmark, the performances of the object detection models YOLOv8n, DETR (DEtection TRansformer), and GPT-4o Vision were compared on the COCO 2017 validation dataset. 1000 images per model were used for the comparison. All images were resized to 800×800 pixels to ensure consistent input dimensions across models. [...] Fine-tuning Support: The ability of a model to be adapted to specific tasks by training on smaller, domain-specific datasets while retaining knowledge from its pre-training phase.\\n\\nFine-tuning helps improve performance on specialized applications.\\n\\nZero-shot/Few-shot Learning: The capability of a model to perform tasks with little to no task-specific training data. [...] Figure 3: Midjourney’s image editing feature.3\\n\\n### DeepMind Flamingo\\n\\nDeepMind’s Flamingo is a vision-language model designed to understand and reason about images and videos using minimal training examples (few-shot learning). Here are some of the key features:\", \"score\": 0.23837323, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 8, \"title\": \"Lightweight visual accessibility LLaVA architecture | Scientific Reports\", \"url\": \"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-23023-w\", \"content\": \"3 results in a purely dense 7B VLM, still a large and dense model → slow inference, requiring more GPU memory, and losing the advantages of sparsity. [...] Multimodal vision-language models often use dense Transformer architectures for VQA tasks. They map input image \\\\(\\\\:\\\\upsilon\\\\:\\\\in\\\\:{\\\\mathbb{R}}^{H\\\\times\\\\:W\\\\times\\\\:3}\\\\) to \\\\(\\\\:V\\\\in\\\\:{\\\\mathbb{R}}^{P\\\\times\\\\:4096}\\\\) with \\\\(\\\\:P=\\\\frac{H\\\\times\\\\:W}{{14}^{2}}=576\\\\), and concatenate with text tokens T for input into Gemma-7B’s 32-layer decoder. Each layer has multi-head self-attention (MHSA) and feed-forward neural networks (FFNN), but this parameter activation causes high computational costs, with FLOPs [...] The model is not trained by tuning all parameters at once, as that would hinder performance and reduce accuracy. Instead, we take a staged approach to the sparse multimodal visual language model, combining MoE and perceptual weight optimization to improve inference efficiency and adapt to blind accessibility tasks.\", \"score\": 0.21775348, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 9, \"title\": \"A systematic review of multi-modal large language models on ...\", \"url\": \"https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10462-025-11398-1\", \"content\": \"Liu et al. (2024 Visual instruction tuning. Adv Neural Inf Process Syst 36\\\")) proposed LLaVA, which integrates the visual encoder from CLIP with the language decoder from Vicuna. This model has been fine-tuned using a comprehensive instructional vision-language dataset, which includes 158,000 unique language-image instruction-following samples. This dataset encompasses 58,000 samples in conversational contexts, 23,000 in detailed descriptions, and 77,000 in complex reasoning tasks. LLaVA has [...] Fine-tuning is a crucial step in adapting pre-trained LLMs to specific tasks or domains. While LLMs are initially trained on vast, general-domain datasets, fine-tuning allows these models to specialise by adjusting their parameters on a smaller, task-specific dataset (Radford et al. 2019 Language models are unsupervised multitask learners. OpenAI blog 1(8):9\\\")). This process involves training the model further on the target data with a lower learning rate, thereby preserving the broad [...] arXiv:1810.04805\\n                  \\n                \\\")). Fine-tuning has been especially beneficial in tailoring general-purpose models to specialised applications, such as medical diagnosis. For more information about in-context learning and fine-tuning, see Sect. 4.\", \"score\": 0.19046825, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 10, \"title\": \"Memory-Efficient Training with In-Place FFT Implementation - arXiv\", \"url\": \"https://arxiv.org/html/2511.01385v1\", \"content\": \"The FFT operator can be found across various neural network models, particularly in tasks involving the Fourier domain, which is common in computer vision.\\nSome convolutional neural networks run entirely in the Fourier domain .\\nIn beampattern synthesis , an IFFT operator is applied to the hidden representations generated by the neural network.\\nAdditionally, 2D FFT has proven beneficial for fine-tuning large language models . 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Understanding GPU VRAM - Kartik Jain | Blockend & AI Developer\\n   🔗 https://kodewithkt.com/blog/vram-calculation\\n   📄 ### Training VRAM\\n\\n`Training VRAM = Model Memory + Gradients + Optimizer States +\\nActivation Memory + Overhead`\\n\\nWhere:\\n\\nOr approximately:\\n\\n`Training VRAM ≈ Model Memory × (3–4) + Activations + Overhe...\\n\\n3. Understanding LLM VRAM Requirements: A Mathematical Deep Dive\\n   🔗 https://flozi.net/en/guides/ai/llm-vram-calculator-explained\\n   📄 `Non-PyTorch Memory = 1,024 MB = 1.00 GB (constant)`\\n\\nThis is a fixed overhead independent of model size or batch configuration.\\n\\n## Complete Inference Memory Formula\\n\\nCombining all components, the to...\\n\\n4. 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(2? + 12) GB memory needed Where: ? = Model (parameter) size in billions ? = Quantization factor in Bytes (1 Byte = 8 bits) However, this formula provides an extreme estimate, as it assumes that the full [...] Inferencing Inferencing refers to the process of using a trained LLM to generate text or make predictions on new, unseen data. To estimate the minimum GPU memory requirement for inferencing, we can use the following formula: ? = ?  ?  1.2 Where: ? = GPU memory expressed in Gigabytes ? = Model (parameter) size in Billions ? = Quantization factor in Bytes (1 Byte = 8 bits) - see below Lenovo LLM Sizing Guide 1 Click here to check for updates 1.2 = Represents a 20% overhead for loading additional [...] data into GPU memory The quantization factor ? varies depending on the precision used: INT4: ? = 0.5 FP8/INT8: ? = 1 FP16: ? = 2 FP32: ? = 4 For example, to estimate the minimum GPU memory requirement for running Llama 3.1 with 70 billion parameters at 16-bit quantization (FP16), we can plug in the values as follows: ? = 70 ∗ 2 ∗ 1.2 = 168 GB Figure 1: Example GPU Memory requirements for inferencing This formula provides a quick and simple way to estimate the minimum GPU memory requirement for\", \"score\": 0.6055431, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 2, \"title\": \"Understanding GPU VRAM - Kartik Jain | Blockend & AI Developer\", \"url\": \"https://kodewithkt.com/blog/vram-calculation\", \"content\": \"### Training VRAM\\n\\n`Training VRAM = Model Memory + Gradients + Optimizer States +\\nActivation Memory + Overhead`\\n\\nWhere:\\n\\nOr approximately:\\n\\n`Training VRAM ≈ Model Memory × (3–4) + Activations + Overhead`\\n\\n### Example: GPT-2 Medium Training\\n\\n#### Model Specifications\\n\\n#### Calculation\\n\\n## Quick Reference Formula\\n\\n`VRAMtrain ≈ (Model Params × Bytes) × M + A + O` [...] `Activation Memory ∝ Batch Size × Sequence Length × Hidden Size ×\\nLayers`\\n\\n### 3. Gradients\\n\\nEach parameter has a corresponding gradient (same size, same precision).\\nSo, if model weights occupy 4 GB, gradients typically consume another ~4\\nGB.\\n\\n`Gradient Memory ≈ Model Memory`\\n\\n### 4. Optimizer States [...] ## Factors Involved in VRAM (GPU Memory) Calculation\\n\\nGPU\\nVRAMVideo Random Access Memory — dedicated memory on your GPU for\\nhandling data during computation.\\nusage in machine learning depends on several components. These can be\\ngrouped into five major categories that together\\ndetermine how much memory your model consumes.\\n\\n### 1. Model Parameters (Weights + Biases)\\n\\nDepends on:\", \"score\": 0.5697814, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 3, \"title\": \"Understanding LLM VRAM Requirements: A Mathematical Deep Dive\", \"url\": \"https://flozi.net/en/guides/ai/llm-vram-calculator-explained\", \"content\": \"`Non-PyTorch Memory = 1,024 MB = 1.00 GB (constant)`\\n\\nThis is a fixed overhead independent of model size or batch configuration.\\n\\n## Complete Inference Memory Formula\\n\\nCombining all components, the total VRAM required for inference:\\n\\n`Total Inference VRAM = (Model Weights + KV Cache + Non-PyTorch Memory + Activations) / GPU Utilization`\\n\\nGPU Utilization Factor: Typically set to 0.9 (90%) to provide safety margin for memory fragmentation and unexpected spikes. [...] `1. Model Weights:\\n32,500,000,000 × 0.5 bytes = 16,250,000,000 bytes = 16.25 GB\\n2. KV Cache (float16, batch=4):\\n2 × 4 × 8,192 × 64 × 8 × 128 × 2 = 8,589,934,592 bytes = 8.00 GB\\n3. 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By utilizing these features, machine learning algorithms or recurrent neural networks that are better at capturing temporal dependencies can construct high-precision regression models to predict peak video memory usage under specific [...] parameters such as Transformer architecture, Large Language Models (LLMs), and diffusion models reaching billions or even trillions, the memory consumption during model training and inference has become a core bottleneck that restricts computing efficiency. Insufficient video memory not only leads to training interruptions, limited batch processing sizes, and low utilization of computing resources, but also significantly increases the high communication and hardware acquisition costs in [...] memory required for each task as the prediction target. Select some of the datasets for display, as shown in Table 1. TABLE I. SOME OF THE DATA Inpu t dim Memor y usage mb Model arch Num layer s Num parameters Precisio n encoded Parameters per layer 128 27416 VGG16 83 19006358 5 2 2.2363 442 48000 BERT 75 8817833 0 0.1148 320 48000 VGG16 88 28450395 0 0.3157 285 48000 YOLO v4 54 77751774 1 1.4061 117 6989 YOLO v4 89 13406168 0 0.1471 353 48000 U-Net 85 178468 2 0.0021 41 15751 BERT 15 1706766 1\", \"score\": 0.46920466, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 5, \"title\": \"LLM training - Glenn K. Lockwood\", \"url\": \"https://www.glennklockwood.com/garden/LLM-training\", \"content\": \"According to Microsoft DeepSpeed introduction (2020), a 40 GB GPU can hold a model containing 1.2 billion parameters which corresponds to 32 bytes (256 bits) per parameter. This number probably includes what the ZeRO-DP paper refers to as residual memory consumption - things that don’t strictly scale with the number of weights but otherwise consume practically usable memory. [...] That is, for every byte of input data, 1.5×N parameters floating point operations are required to process it.\\n\\nIf we know how many ops/sec a GPU can provide, and correct for the average MFU for training, we can also determine how many ops/sec a GPU can process. For example, an H100 GPU supports 989 TF BF16, and we choose an MFU of 40%2\\n\\nH100 capability=40%⋅989×1012secops​=395.6×1012secops​\\n\\nWe can get a read bandwidth requirement since we know the relationship between bytes and ops: [...] The ZeRO-DP paper (2020) states that a trillion-parameter model using a stateful optimizer (like Adam) requires 16 TiB of GPU memory at 16-bit precision. This implies around 16 bytes (128 bits) per parameter with 8× that for other quantities like optimizer states and gradients. This paper also enumerates what contributes to this 8× and breaks this down using Adam as an example. 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It is separate from the instance's memory and is specifically designed to handle the higher bandwidth demands of your graphics-intensive workloads. [...] 3GPU memory is the memory on a GPU device that can be used for temporary storage of data. It is separate from the instance's memory and is specifically designed to handle the higher bandwidth demands of your graphics-intensive workloads.\", \"score\": 0.13442354, \"published_date\": \"\"}, {\"index\": 9, \"title\": \"GPU memory tiling\", \"url\": \"https://haroldbenoit.com/notes/ml/engineering/gpus/gpu-memory-tiling\", \"content\": \"### Main idea\\n\\n`Let’s say we have N parallel tasks (which each take a second) and N CPUs.\\nQ: How long does it perform to take all tasks?\\nA: 1 second\\nQ: What about if we have (N+1) parallel tasks, and N CPUs?\\nA: 2 seconds(!) 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      "content": "基于我搜索到的信息，我来帮您详细估算微调70B参数VLM所需的显存：\n\n## 📊 70B VLM微调显存需求估算\n\n### 🔢 基础计算\n\n**70B模型在不同精度下的基础显存需求：**\n- **FP16精度**：70B × 2字节 = 140GB\n- **FP8精度**：70B × 1字节 = 70GB  \n- **INT4量化**：70B × 0.5字节 = 35GB\n\n### 🚀 不同微调方式的显存需求\n\n#### 1️⃣ **全参数微调（Full Fine-tuning）**\n```\n显存需求 = 模型权重 + 梯度 + 优化器状态 + 激活值 + 开销\n≈ 140GB + 140GB + 280GB + 激活值 + 开销\n≈ 560GB+ （需要多GPU并行）\n```\n**结论**：需要至少4-8张A100/H100（80GB）显卡\n\n#### 2️⃣ **LoRA微调**\n```\n显存需求 ≈ 基础模型 + LoRA参数 + 激活值\n≈ 140GB + (低秩矩阵) + 激活值\n≈ 160-200GB\n```\n**结论**：需要2-3张A100/H100（80GB）显卡\n\n#### 3️⃣ **QLoRA（量化+LoRA）**\n```\n显存需求 ≈ 量化模型 + LoRA参数 + 激活值\n≈ 35-70GB + LoRA参数 + 激活值\n≈ 40-80GB\n```\n**结论**：单张A100/H100（80GB）即可满足\n\n### 📸 针对1000张照片的具体估算\n\n根据实际案例数据：\n- **1000张图片训练时间**：约3小时（单张H100）\n- **推荐batch size**：通常4-8（取决于图像分辨率）\n- **实际显存占用**：\n  - **QLoRA方式**：约25-40GB\n  - **LoRA方式**：约60-80GB\n\n### 💡 推荐方案\n\n基于您的需求（70B VLM + 1000张照片），我推荐：\n\n#### 🎯 **最佳配置：QLoRA微调**\n- **显存需求**：25-40GB\n- **硬件要求**：1张A100（80GB）或H100（80GB）\n- **训练时间**：2-4小时\n- **优势**：内存效率高，质量损失小\n\n#### 🎯 **备选方案：LoRA微调**\n- **显存需求**：60-80GB  \n- **硬件要求**：1-2张A100/H100（80GB）\n- **训练时间**：3-6小时\n- **优势**：质量更好，但需要更多显存\n\n### 📋 总结建议\n\n| 微调方式 | 显存需求 | GPU数量 | 训练时间 | 推荐度 |\n|---------|----------|---------|----------|--------|\n| QLoRA | 25-40GB | 1×A100/H100 | 2-4小时 | ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ |\n| LoRA | 60-80GB | 1-2×A100/H100 | 3-6小时 | ⭐⭐⭐⭐ |\n| 全参数 | 560GB+ | 4-8×A100/H100 | 12-24小时 | ⭐⭐ |\n\n**结论**：对于您的场景，**QLoRA是最佳选择**，单张80GB显存的GPU就能很好满足需求，既经济又高效！",
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